Flat bed rug wringers...

[Nate The Great]

I seen @T Monahan post in the classified section in regards to asking what's the durometer reading on the rubber rollers...

For us less fortunate who are stuck on a rock in the middle of the Pacific Ocean, What are the pros/cons of a flat bed wringer?

I can only assume some rugs can't pass through them? Do the wringers need to be adjusted yearly for maintenance or is it automatically adjusted? Is it a one set pressure for all types of rugs?

I've been told flat bed wringers are more for production cleaning as a centrifuge wringer is more for people who don't clean xxxx amount of rug... Yes I understand that a spinner can get more water out of a rug but you can't put bleeders through it...

@rmann @rhyde @Brian H @The Great Oz

 

[T Monahan]

I seen @T Monahan post in the classified section in regards to asking what's the durometer reading on the rubber rollers...

For us less fortunate who are stuck on a rock in the middle of the Pacific Ocean, What are the pros/cons of a flat bed wringer?

I can only assume some rugs can't pass through them? Do the wringers need to be adjusted yearly for maintenance or is it automatically adjusted? Is it a one set pressure for all types of rugs?

I've been told flat bed wringers are more for production cleaning as a centrifuge wringer is more for people who don't clean xxxx amount of rug... Yes I understand that a spinner can get more water out of a rug but you can't put bleeders through it...

@rmann @rhyde @Brian H @The Great Oz

1. Durometer reading on a newly produced MOR Wringer Roller will be +/- 65. As the rubber ages, it gets harder and the reading goes up. Many rollers that I have seen 12 to 15 years old, have a reading of 90-ish. This is too hard. When it is hard that hard, the lack of flexible rubber during the compression, to squeeze the rug, looses its intended effectiveness. You need the lower durometer reading to have an optimum wringing process.

2. Wringers need their bearings and chains lubricated. Appropriate chain tensioning is important maintenance inspection. The compression wringers on some MOR Machines were done with hydraulic cylinders, other more recent versions are with air cylinders. In each model they are set or a certain pound per square inch to insure optimum wringing. (equivalent to around 120 p.s.i.) That setting is maintain through out the wash period automatically if everything is working and their are no pressure leaks. (Routine maintenance to insure no hydraulic oil or air leaks is important) Usually with air cylinders one pressure for all rugs is sufficient. Inherit to the hydraulics, you generally have to back off the pressure to a lower setting when doing the big fat funky rugs. Why? When the really thick rug passes out the roller, you will have an abrupt closure of the two rollers creating a sudden noise due to collision. With the air cylinders, it is less of an issue since air cylinders minimizes the abrupt slamming together of the rollers in these situations.

3. Wringers can allow faster production. However, centrifuges are superior for getting the water out better and leaving a softer hand on the pile with less post cleaning work on fringes. It is optimum to have both working one after the other in rug processing.

4. In my opinion I believe there is a misnomer about dye bleed and which device is better. I would submit: Manage the dye migration before putting the rug through either device. You can tattoo a rug with migrating dyes in a spinning centrifuge if the loose dyes are not remedied beforehand. Dye bleed can spread through a rug if not managed before putting it through the wringer too.

 

[Mikey P]

And now you know the rest of the story..

 

[Old Coastie]

I'm beginning to feel much better about referring rugs to a local specialist, that's for sure.

 

[T Monahan]

So should he:

 

[Cleanworks]

So should he:View attachment 69805

Almost looks like he's down to his last two teef.

 

[The Great Oz]

I can only assume some rugs can't pass through them? Do the wringers need to be adjusted yearly for maintenance or is it automatically adjusted? Is it a one set pressure for all types of rugs?

Haven't seen a rug we were afraid to run through the wringer, as it puts no shear stress on a rug. We've not only washed and wrung the felt shags, but have washed and wrung several rugs made out of silk neckties. Came out great.

The beauty of the Rollerjet, the best cleaning machine ever made.

As Tom mentioned, with any mechanical device there's a little maintenance required. Ours uses air for pressure, and we rebuilt the air cylinders once. Recoated or replaced the rollers three times. Chains need tightening and chains, sprockets and bearing need replacment eventually.

We've never changed the pressure for any rug, but in an air system the air can act more like a spring than a hydraulic system. A lot of the smaller or stand-alone wringers use a lever to handpump a bottle jack, so adjusting pressure might be needed.

 

[T Monahan]

We only install air cylinders on all new production machines and would replace hydraulics on old ones for the favorable functionality of the compression rollers.

 

[Nate The Great]

Hey @T Monahan what was the usable size and price tag of that machine you showcased at Hagopians this past Rug Summit? I understand everything can be built to order... I'm trying to get a ballpark figure I need to budget for...

 

[T Monahan]

Hey @T Monahan what was the usable size and price tag of that machine you showcased at Hagopians this past Rug Summit? I understand everything can be built to order... I'm trying to get a ballpark figure I need to budget for...

What we are looking at here is a 16 foot basic Rinse Wringer. We make 13', 16', and 19'. The bells and whistles create the cost. A 13' Rinse Wringer starts at $125K and the other machines that are bigger with more add-ons like Hagopian's can exceed $250K.

Note: Above unit was made and delivered last year.

 

[Nate The Great]

Ok, I got it... The small one was just a demo/mini version of what you could expect? Thanks Tommy!

 

[T Monahan]

Yes. But we will sell the demo too.

 

[T Monahan]

The perfect compression wringing of a rug with a new machine at the time as seen here:

 

[T Monahan]

Hey @T Monahan what was the usable size and price tag of that machine you showcased at Hagopians this past Rug Summit? I understand everything can be built to order... I'm trying to get a ballpark figure I need to budget for...

This is the most current MOR with a linear motion jet spray. This 16' machine is a wash wringer at Joe Gabel's

 

[Nate The Great]

Joe's one is a sweet setup... I'm still in awwwe of Roberto's wringer... That was 35seconds to run it back through in reverse...

Time saver is an understatement...! I understand now how fast and efficient a wringer is...

I'm going to protest at work until I get one...!

 

[Cleanworks]

This is the most current MOR with a linear motion jet spray. This 16' machine is a wash wringer at Joe Gabel's
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Can you imagine if the guy on the right got his beard caught in the wringer.

 

[EDS]

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What we are looking at here is a 16 foot basic Rinse Wringer. We make 13', 16', and 19'. The bells and whistles create the cost. A 13' Rinse Wringer starts at $125K and the other machines that are bigger with more add-ons like Hagopian's can exceed $250K.

Note: Above unit was made and delivered last year.

Can you imagine if the guy on the right got his beard caught in the wringer.

Would he work on the Sabbath? I think not...

 

[Brian H]

Can you imagine if the guy on the right got his beard caught in the wringer.

Damned if I wasn't thinking the exact same thing!! I hope their emergency shut off works!!

 

[T Monahan]

No problem with the man with the beard! He is too quick.

 

[T Monahan]

 

[T Monahan]

This is a 19 footer that we are installing new rollers and other upgrades in this week.

 

[Nate The Great]

Does it cost extra to get it in Red?

 

[T Monahan]

Does it cost extra to get it in Red?

The pigment and need for repeat coverage coats is the reason for an increase in cost over our brand blue. Especially the Yellow, Red or Purple have increased the need for an adjusted cost.

 

[Brian H]

Purple

 

[Ron K]

The pigment and need for repeat coverage coats is the reason for an increase in cost over our brand blue. Especially the Yellow, Red or Purple have increased the need for an adjusted cost.

I thought Blue was the Red remover.

 

[Nate The Great]

As long as it's not in my rear view mirror, I could care less about the color...

 

[T Monahan]

As long as it's not in my rear view mirror, I could care less about the color...

I never get tired of seeing a blue sky or blue ocean. I need to visit Hawaii again!

p.s.

Don't some of the law officers drive their own cars there. I remember seeing all kinds of colors and makes. Usually, muscle cars to catch the crooks better.

 

[Nate The Great]

Yes, after 10 years on the force they are given an allowance to purchase there own car.. Of course it has to meet certain requirements and they get chipped ecu's so they can have more power than the regular models..

In my youth, I've been pulled over more than Bawb's age now... Oh the good times!

 

[rhyde]

The downside with a rinse wringer is the price and maybe space it takes up in a small wash plant