Outdoor furniture cleaning and storage pros and cons

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I'm thinking about getting into outdoor furniture cleaning and winter storage and have read an older thread on the topic, but just wanted to get pros and cons from anyone currently doing this.
How are you pricing?
 

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Beware of dried sun rot.
Inspect each cushion regardless of age...
Weak areas will exist...
Practice on used or junk.
Review cleaners made for that.
 
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We have only done it for a couple of years now, so Joe may have more to say on the topic.

The obvious thing is to make sure you check every piece for problems like Caesar listed above. Check snaps, zippers, etc. too.

The not so obvious part is storing the cushions... they take up a LOT of space! We have to get creative with where to store them. We tag each cushion but sometimes large orders are stored in different spots and it can be a bit of chaos trying to find them all.

Another challenge we have had was finding space to pre-test, clean, spray fabric protection, dry and package for storage. This year we dedicated about 600 sq ft of our garage for the cleaning which seemed to work well.

We price per piece with the minimum charge being $30 and up per cushion. At those prices, you will mostly be doing high end stuff, not Home Depot furniture.

Overall, our only real regret is not starting this years ago.
 

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The pros:
Get paid to do work you can push into what is normally slow time, and do at your convenience.
Profitable!

The cons:
You have to inspect and document as if each order was an insurance claim. No one remembers the broken straps or melts being there before you took them in.
Space. This takes up a serious amount of space.
Drying. You'll need space not only for storage, but for making sure incoming wet cushions are completely dry before putting them away. This has become a major hassle. (see below) Moisture probes don't go far enough into the cushion to know that it's dry inside.
If your systems are weak, handling cushions will be difficult.
Insurance. Make sure your coverage includes storage. Many insurance companies require a pretty expensive add-on if you hold anything longer that the time it takes to service the item, and if you're advertising storage, they can deny coverage if something happens.

We've noticed that there are four type of stuffing: Closed cell foam - perfect but expensive; Open-cell "fast drain" - can take several days to dry and the fabric may also hold water inside, Stacked batts of polyfil - acts similar to "fast drain"; Open cell foam - can take weeks to dry in a dry room, or may never dry completely. Absolutely the wrong foam to use outdoors and will lead to moldy cushions.

Closed cell foam seems to be used only by the top manufacturers or in yacht cushions - we're seeing more of the cheaper or wrong stuff every year.

Bottom line is, like other specialties, you have to pay attention or you'll buy stuff. I'm also not sure all of us are doing a proper accounting of all of the peripheral work that goes into handling cushions, the margins may be slimmer than we think.
 

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I'm also not sure all of us are doing a proper accounting of all of the peripheral work that goes into handling cushions, the margins may be slimmer than we think.
I haven't dug as deep as I normally would to analyze this but I suspect it's true.

The one positive that does make it worth while even if it's a break even is we require 100% deposit when the cushions are dropped off, giving us a nice infusion of cash going into the slow winter months.
 

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Have a good inventory system.
We take pics of all prior damage.
Be ready to do minor repairs.
Clean umbrellas too.
Pick up and delivery is at our discretion.
We collect full payment prior to cleaning.
 

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The pros:
Get paid to do work you can push into what is normally slow time, and do at your convenience.
Profitable!

The cons:
You have to inspect and document as if each order was an insurance claim. No one remembers the broken straps or melts being there before you took them in.
Space. This takes up a serious amount of space.
Drying. You'll need space not only for storage, but for making sure incoming wet cushions are completely dry before putting them away. This has become a major hassle. (see below) Moisture probes don't go far enough into the cushion to know that it's dry inside.
If your systems are weak, handling cushions will be difficult.
Insurance. Make sure your coverage includes storage. Many insurance companies require a pretty expensive add-on if you hold anything longer that the time it takes to service the item, and if you're advertising storage, they can deny coverage if something happens.

We've noticed that there are four type of stuffing: Closed cell foam - perfect but expensive; Open-cell "fast drain" - can take several days to dry and the fabric may also hold water inside, Stacked batts of polyfil - acts similar to "fast drain"; Open cell foam - can take weeks to dry in a dry room, or may never dry completely. Absolutely the wrong foam to use outdoors and will lead to moldy cushions.

Closed cell foam seems to be used only by the top manufacturers or in yacht cushions - we're seeing more of the cheaper or wrong stuff every year.

Bottom line is, like other specialties, you have to pay attention or you'll buy stuff. I'm also not sure all of us are doing a proper accounting of all of the peripheral work that goes into handling cushions, the margins may be slimmer than we think.
How are you handling those pieces that are slow dryers? Do you clean them using a low moisture method?
 

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We have only done it for a couple of years now, so Joe may have more to say on the topic.

The obvious thing is to make sure you check every piece for problems like Caesar listed above. Check snaps, zippers, etc. too.

The not so obvious part is storing the cushions... they take up a LOT of space! We have to get creative with where to store them. We tag each cushion but sometimes large orders are stored in different spots and it can be a bit of chaos trying to find them all.

Another challenge we have had was finding space to pre-test, clean, spray fabric protection, dry and package for storage. This year we dedicated about 600 sq ft of our garage for the cleaning which seemed to work well.

We price per piece with the minimum charge being $30 and up per cushion. At those prices, you will mostly be doing high end stuff, not Home Depot furniture.

Overall, our only real regret is not starting this years ago.
Do you use a drying room to dry cushions?
 

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I beleive Tom King got into this a few years ago when they purchased the big show room/warehouse and started selling furniture. I remember talking to him on the phone about it and he was telling me how they were doing it. Do he or Jordan hang out here anymore? I don't remeber their handles to tag them and they didn't come up by name when I tried @Tom King or Jordan King.

@anon ???
 

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I beleive Tom King got into this a few years ago when they purchased the big show room/warehouse and started selling furniture. I remember talking to him on the phone about it and he was telling me how they were doing it. Do he or Jordan hang out here anymore? I don't remeber their handles to tag them and they didn't come up by name when I tried @Tom King or Jordan King.

@anon ???
ah,,,,look at that, Tom did come up...but does he ever come to the board anymore?
 

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Do you use a drying room to dry cushions?
No, we don't get them that wet. Most of the cushions have been in our facility for a month or two prior to us cleaning them so they should be dry even if they came in wet.

As an FYI, we advertise that we don't take in wet cushions but that doesn't stop people from bringing them in.
 

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As an FYI, we advertise that we don't take in wet cushions but that doesn't stop people from bringing them in.

In Seattle, people don't believe the outdoor season is over until it's rained hard for several days, with maybe a windstorm and plunging temperatures. About a third of the cushions we bring in are soaking wet - it's when the customers decide they won't store them at home.

We have forty feet of triple-deck grid racks with air movers. Closed cell will dry in a few hours, "fast dry" and poly batts can take two days (zipper down with the zippers open), open cell foam gets moved to the dry room for a week or more. A few times we've had to call people and tell them the cushions they used outdoor aren't meant for outdoor use and we can't fix them.

The rack comes in handy for drying cushions after cleaning even though they're dry in a couple of hours. You can clean a lot of cushions per hour and run out of space for them to dry.
 

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who makes the best outdoor stuff?

Whats a seat cushion worth?
Off hand, Sunbrella fabric is the best known, but look up marine canvas to get a list of appropriate fabric makers. Sunbrella has an indoor line that people use outdoors and wonder why it doesn't hold up.

Basically, the best cushions are made from boat top and awning fabric that is either solution-dyed nylon, acrylic or poly, and have a built in UV blocker.

Closed cell costs enough that it is rapidly becoming a custom-yacht only product.

A real outdoor cushion, even a simple tie-on chair bottom, will cost $75 to $100, so don't feel sad about what you charge for your services. Anything that costs less is disposable, will be a headache, and those people will stack them on top of the mower for the winter anyway.
 

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Common problem. An upholstery shop made custom cushions using marine fabric and poly batts, but didn't use UV stabilized thread. Over a hundred cushions, we dropped them off at the shop that made them so they could resew.

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Asian "outdoor" cushion as it was brought in. Started the season a rusty orange. Another one of this type was red when we started. The color came out anywhere the sun hit.

OH yeah, water temperatures over 80F will shrink the fabric and voids many maker's warranties. Not too big a deal for most cushions, but shrinking tailored ones, or umbrellas, or boat tops...
 
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Common problem. An upholstery shop made custom cushions using marine fabric and poly batts, but didn't use UV stabilized thread. Over a hundred cushions, we dropped them off at the shop that made them so they could resew.
Who paid to resew them?

My wife did a lot of custom canvas and cushions for our boats and house and we are very familiar with using the right thread! The company where we purchased our machine has excellent customer support and training videos.
 

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I beleive Tom King got into this a few years ago when they purchased the big show room/warehouse and started selling furniture. I remember talking to him on the phone about it and he was telling me how they were doing it. Do he or Jordan hang out here anymore? I don't remeber their handles to tag them and they didn't come up by name when I tried @Tom King or Jordan King.

@anon ???
Thanks, I'll PM Tom on Facebook
 

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The shop did. Sailrite is an excellent resource.
Yep, that's it!! We've used our machine for cockpit cushions and backrests, bimini repair, cockpit enclosure replacement, fixed porthole "hoods, roman shades for the house, a cover for the air conditioner, etc....

When I say "We" I really mean my wife. I'm the idea guy and she is stuck making it work!! :biggrin:
 
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